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Post by Noah on Apr 6, 2005 22:36:42 GMT -5
"Instant runoff voting" means that instead of choosing one candidate from a list, voters rank all or some of the candidates in order of preference. If the candidate you ranked first failed to win any electoral votes, your vote would go to the candidate you ranked second.
Not surprisingly, the most ardent advocates of instant runoff voting are those who are not registered as Democrats or Republicans. Without it, it's hard to imagine the emergence of an equal third party.
If we had had instant runoff voting in 2000, most of Ralph Nader's 2,882,955 votes would have gone to Gore, reversing narrow Bush victories in several key states. Gore would have had, let us say, a much more decisive victory than he did have, and probably would have wound up in the White House.
However, this assumes that Al Gore in 2000 had just finished serving as Vice President for eight peaceful and prosperous years. And if we had had instant runoff voting in 1992, it's likely that enough Ross Perot votes would've transferred to Bush I to grant him a second term.
Partisan what-iffing aside, it seems to me that instant runoff voting is a good way of expanding the mainstream political spectrum. I also like that it increases the power of the people's will to determine their president.
Whadaya think? And do you think America might ever adopt it?
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Post by CaesarMajestic on Apr 14, 2005 6:53:16 GMT -5
No.
The age-old debate of whether the poor should be allowed to vote has been resolved.
Both the rich and the poor won.
The rich got exactly what they wanted and the poor got the illusion of being able to vote. See? Everybody's happy!
This is from a GREAT book "En Route to Global Occupation" by Gary Kah (pg54):
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Post by CaesarMajestic on Apr 14, 2005 7:25:28 GMT -5
Hmm - hit some button or something. Anyways, continuing with the Gary Kah quote,
Not only have our presidents belonged to these organizations, but the candidates running on the opposing tickets have, almost without exception, been members as well. A typical example of this came during the 1980 presidential campaign when the establishement put up John Anderson (CFR/TC), Howard Baker (CFR), George Bush (CFR/TC/SB), Jimmy Carter (CFR/TC), and Ted Kennedy (CFR-Boston Affiliate) as candidates.
CFR = Council on Foreign Relations TC = Trilateral Commission SB = Skull and Bones ------------ Of course, these were candidates for president, not presidents. You might be interested in seeing which *presidents* in our century were NOT members of Freemasonry or the three groups above, so I will use the info in Kah's book to list the exceptions, the ones who aren't involved in them:
Having listed them, I must say I feel better.
I have already posted a (fairly mild) letter saying what I found to be the case in NC. You might check the Alternative news on the Internet about vote fraud in America , but if you consult the (largest) mainstream news, I think you will find that their editors all belong to CFR, etc.
Kah's book was published in 1992, but here's what he had to say about media membership in CFR: William Paley, Dan Rather, Harry Reasoner, Bill Moyers, Tom Brokaw, John Chancellor, Marvin Kalb, Irving Levine, David Brinkley, Jahn Scali, Barbara Walters, David Schorr, Robert McNeil, Jim Lehrer, etc
Basically CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, PBS, AP, Reuters, UPI, etc.
Kah Goes on to say:
This trend of stacking the ticket is likely to continue in the election of 1992 and beyond. If you've been wondering why everything continues to head in the same direction regardless of who gets elected, now you know why! It is not unfair to say the CFR and Trilateral Commission runs our government. In fact, any statement to the contrary, given the preceding information, would be inaccurate. As we have seen, membership in these organizations has become a prerequisite of running for the presidency or for being appointed to a significant position in the executive branch. This represents a complete breakdown in our political process.
Well, I guess it's fair to say Skull and Bones won our last election. -------------- Instant Run-Off voting is the way to go, if you want a fair election when there are multiple candidates.
Not having it after 200 years of democracy might be a subtle clue that it is not wanted. Ask Ralph Nader.
As you can tell, I'm a cynical ass.
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Post by Noah on Apr 14, 2005 10:25:23 GMT -5
Well, it's hard not to share that cynicism. I agree with you -- instant runoff voting makes perfect sense, and it's truly democratic, and it will probably never happen in an American presidential election. However, it is slowly gathering momentum in local races, particularly in California, and maybe if it's very successful on a small scale it will attract more national proponents.
I'll have to track down a copy of that Gary Kah book.
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Post by wowposter on Nov 16, 2008 1:59:41 GMT -5
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